Episode 14, released October 6, 2016, is a movie-and-music lover’s hangout with a self-deprecating title and a lot of heart. Riding high off the Diane Franklin interview and teasing the Scott Schwartz episode to come, Bobby, Jason, and Marlon settle into the stuff they love most: 80s music, 80s movies, and the people who made them.
The centerpiece is a warm appreciation of Wham and George Michael, the group forever linked to these guys, followed by a Tim Burton tour and Marlon’s rundown of the greatest director-and-actor partnerships in film. It is exactly the kind of easy, knowledgeable conversation the show does best.
What you’ll hear in this episode
- A warm recap of the Diane Franklin interview and her 80s memoir. [00:34]
- Two sad closings: New York’s Carnegie Deli and the Big-famous FAO Schwarz. [04:32]
- Show moment: why Wham and George Michael meant so much, and the star-studded Freedom 90 video. [08:00]
- Tim Burton’s incredible 80s run, from Pee-wee’s Big Adventure to Beetlejuice to Edward Scissorhands. [14:30]
- Marlon’s list of the greatest director-and-actor duos, including Spielberg and Harrison Ford and Scorsese and De Niro. [23:37]
- Al Pacino’s Vegas one-man show, and the painful moment Bobby got cut off in the audience question line. [29:36]
The George Michael appreciation gets at exactly why the guys respect him so much: he did it all himself.
“A lot of people, I don’t know if you realize, but George Michael writes everything.”
Bobby, [09:03]
And Marlon sums up the greatest of all the director-and-actor pairings in one line:
“Martin Scorsese and De Niro together, it’s a welcome trip to the movies. It’s magic.”
Marlon Dow, [28:02]
Three things we said in this episode
- [1:20] “Her first paycheck that she bought her mom that dryer. She was thinking of her family first.” on Diane Franklin’s first paycheck story
- [5:23] “I remember going with my father once to Carnegie Deli, and he ordered a sandwich, and I ordered something else. He ate half, and he took the other half to his room.” on Carnegie Deli’s original location closing
- [16:04] “He loses himself in the role. Watching these things, it’s very interesting you bring this up, because I just never noticed.” on Johnny Depp losing himself in a role
Full transcript of Episode 14
[0:00] Speaker: Let’s take a trip back in time, so strap yourselves in tight. It’s time for Bobby and Jason’s Awesome ’80s Podcast.
[0:12] Bobby: Hey now.
[0:13] Jason: Hey. Hey, hey baby.
[0:16] Bobby: Jason, are you strapped in? Because that’s what she told you to do, strap in.
[0:20] Jason: Strap in, baby.
[0:21] Bobby: Well, welcome to Bobby and Jason’s Awesome ’80s Podcast.
[0:26] Jason: That’s Bobby Catalano.
[0:27] Bobby: And that is Jason Pasco. This is numero quattorze. In English, 14.
[0:35] Bobby: Number 14, 14.
[0:35] Jason: Man, when I was 14 years old, that was a good year.
[0:38] Bobby: Yeah, it was a good year. You have a good year? What were you doing?
[0:40] Jason: I was being 14.
[0:41] Bobby: I was too. I was riding dirt bikes.
[0:43] Jason: Really? I never did that. I did some skateboarding and stuff like that. Wow.
[0:47] Bobby: And I was roller skating.
[0:49] Jason: Oh, roller skating. Yeah, well, you guys already know about all that, you stalkers.
[0:53] Bobby: So look, let’s recap number 13. We had the beautiful babe, Diane Franklin.
[0:59] Jason: Wasn’t she great? She just shared so much stuff.
[1:04] Bobby: She did. She’s just a natural, and she’s so sweet. Like, she’s just a genuine person.
[1:11] Jason: You could really tell that coming through right there. And not only that, but how thoughtful she was about stuff, how she shared real deal stuff.
[1:20] Bobby: You know what I thought was nice? Her first paycheck that she bought her mom that dryer. She was thinking of her family first.
[1:30] Jason: Family first. Yeah.
[1:31] Bobby: And she’s just, yeah, I think she’s like American sweetheart. She really is.
[1:35] Jason: And the way she talked about her daughter and all the stuff that her daughter’s doing, I’m looking forward to seeing some of that.
[1:39] Bobby: Yep, and she has another book that she’s working on. She said it’s coming out later this month, and if you haven’t picked up her first book, I put the link on the Facebook page, and it’s called The Excellent Adventures of the Last American French Exchange Babe of the ’80s. That’s one hell of a title.
[1:58] Jason: Yeah, but it gets all the points across.
[2:00] Bobby: It really does. So yeah, if you haven’t picked up her book, I suggest you do. It’s a real easy read, and it’s fun.
[2:05] Jason: You can also check it out. We put a link over on the website, and if you aren’t following her on Twitter, follow her on Twitter because there’s a lot of cool stuff going on.
[2:14] Bobby: Yep, she’s got that whole ’80s In the Sand event next year, and that’s gonna be a lot of fun. We’re gonna be talking more about that later.
[2:22] Jason: Yeah, we’re actually thinking about that, who knows. Also, this is what’s really cool, we’re gonna welcome all the new listeners who came through. We got a lot of new people contacting us, Diane Franklin fans who didn’t know about our little garage podcast here.
[2:39] Bobby: Yeah, man, we’re growing each week, and Rose Franklin, our big fan, she said, “You guys have moved up to a double garage.”
[2:47] Jason: I don’t know about all that yet. We’re getting there. Double.
[2:49] Bobby: Baby.
[2:50] Jason: We’re getting there. But another interesting thing that happened with this was that we actually did another interview already with somebody.
[2:59] Bobby: We did.
[2:59] Jason: Who got in touch with us. Everybody’s gonna know exactly who he is. And his time of the season’s coming around right now. Christmas time, right?
[3:09] Bobby: There’s a little hint, so stay tuned. That’s gonna be episode number 15 next week.
[3:15] Jason: And how do we say that in that language of yours?
[3:17] Bobby: Numero quince.
[3:20] Jason: Ooh, numero quince. See, you thought you had me on the spot, didn’t you? I thought I had you. You actually gave me a look there for a second. It’s like, “Shit.” You didn’t see it, but when I do it, should I remember? You looked at me for a second and I was like, “Oh, he might not get it.” So wait a second, let me open this up here a little bit. It’s time for that awesome part of the show called Bobby’s Glitches.
[3:41] Bobby: Wait, wait, wait. There were no glitches.
[3:43] Jason: Yes, there was.
[3:44] Bobby: What glitch?
[3:46] Jason: You know exactly what I’m talking about. He’s gonna try to play stupid.
[3:50] Bobby: You really do. And I wanna thank whoever caught that. I’m sorry. I was stalking the Facebook page, and I caught it too when he said it.
[3:57] Jason: And I didn’t say anything, and I’m thinking to myself, “Our listeners are smart, savvy, and particular, and they’re gonna find this.” They sure are.
[4:05] Jason: And shouldn’t they? You can’t pull the rug out on these people, man.
[4:09] Jason: So go ahead, what was it?
[4:11] Bobby: It was Melody, and I should’ve said Melanie. But you know what? I listened to it again. I said Melody the first time. The second time I got it right. I said Melanie.
[4:22] Jason: But still.
[4:22] Bobby: You know what? I don’t think Melanie cares.
[4:26] Jason: I don’t think she cares either.
[4:26] Bobby: Melanie, if it bothered you that I screwed up your name, tell me. I don’t think she will.
[4:34] Jason: But I got pleasure out of it, and I wanna thank everybody out there in listener land for the help. I appreciate that. I love you.
[4:41] Bobby: All right, bro, I got some sad news.
[4:43] Jason: Oh, God.
[4:44] Bobby: We hate sad news here at the podcast.
[4:46] Jason: But we are equal opportunity, you know?
[4:49] Bobby: Jesus. So anyway, have you ever heard of Carnegie Deli?
[4:51] Jason: I’ve been to Carnegie Deli.
[4:53] Bobby: In New York.
[4:54] Jason: In New York, and?
[4:55] Bobby: And there’s one in Vegas. Well, the one in New York, which opened in 1937, is closing its doors at the end of the year, man.
[5:04] Jason: What the hell would they do that for?
[5:05] Bobby: I think they wanna get more involved in just franchising.
[5:09] Jason: But why would you get rid of the original? I mean, that’s like a pilgrimage place.
[5:12] Bobby: I know, man. It’s on 7th Avenue and 55th, and yeah, it’s where it all started. One thing about Carnegie, their sandwiches are legendary in size.
[5:22] Jason: Oh, God, yeah.
[5:23] Bobby: It’s just, I don’t know, one sandwich could feed a family of four. I remember going with my father once to Carnegie Deli here in the Mirage in Las Vegas, and he ordered a sandwich, and I ordered something else. It wasn’t a sandwich, I got a dessert or something. And I was looking at him like, “Dad, you gonna eat that?” And of course he did, and he ate half, and he took the other half to his room.
[5:48] Jason: I think that happens often. Smart man, Mr. Catalano, smart man. Yeah, but that’s a shame. Carnegie Deli’s like one of those exact pilgrimage places. And the thing about here at the Mirage is they got it right.
[6:00] Jason: It’s right. I wouldn’t think if they’re gonna franchise this thing to different places, like.
[6:05] Bobby: Well, it’s around. There’s a few more, I think there’s another one in New York City, but the original is unfortunately going away. You know what else went away last year? Do you remember FAO Schwarz, the toy store? It was featured in Big, with Tom Hanks. Well, that place closed its doors. And I always remember when I would go on auditions for my acting, or if I was just in New York hanging out, I always made a stop in FAO Schwarz ’cause it was like a kid’s playground, bro.
[6:35] Bobby: It was amazing. I think I’ve only been there once.
[6:36] Bobby: And that really made me sad. I’m gonna cry.
[6:41] Jason: He’s gonna cry. Oh, God. I encourage everyone to send tissues to the podcast.
[6:45] Bobby: Because one thing about me, I love my toys.
[6:48] Jason: Yes, you do.
[6:49] Bobby: And one day everybody will see that.
[6:50] Jason: Oh, my God, yes. You are the biggest kid ever, and there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s what makes him fun. So, but yeah, FAO Schwarz. So things moving on, you know, everything on the internet and whatnot, things change, man.
[6:59] Jason: Well, you know what? Thank God for the internet, ’cause if not, you and I would never be able to do anything like this.
[7:04] Bobby: It’s true.
[7:05] Jason: I wanna give them another hint about next week. You wanna give them another hint?
[7:09] Bobby: About next week, our special guest next week?
[7:10] Jason: Yes, our next celebrity guest. All right, here we go.
[7:12] Bobby: Let’s hear it.
[7:13] Speaker: I can’t put my arms down. I can’t put my arms down.
[7:18] Jason: Is that too much?
[7:21] Bobby: No, I mean, I know who it is. Of course I do.
[7:26] Jason: I’m just saying, you know, from that timeframe.
[7:29] Bobby: It’s good, it’s gonna be fun.
[7:32] Jason: Okay, exactly, yeah. It’s gonna be laid back. It’s cool.
[7:35] Bobby: So did you have, somebody wrote in with a question?
[7:38] Jason: Yes, it’s that time. Dun, dun-dun-dun, dun-dun-dun-dun. Oh, shit. Come on, you got a big part in this one. This is important.
[7:46] Bobby: It’s that time.
[7:46] Jason: You make this part.
[7:47] Bobby: It’s that time again. It’s that time. The Show.
[7:59] Jason: Come on, come on. The Show. That is great. Scaring the kids.
[8:00] Bobby: Oh, man. Well, it’s Halloween coming up.
[8:01] Jason: Yeah, okay. Well, we got a question. I can’t remember, I don’t have it in front of me. I can be a little unprepared for this. They asked why don’t we talk about Wham and what are our feelings on George Michael today when we look back at it and think about it.
[8:17] Bobby: Wham? I don’t know, it just hasn’t come up. I mean, we probably should have.
[8:21] Jason: I think we have bits and pieces.
[8:22] Bobby: I mean, yeah, we’ve done a little bit. Wham and George Michael were a big influence on us as teenagers, of course. We were kinda hand-in-hand with them as far as why people remember us.
[8:35] Jason: Everywhere we went, everyone we talked to, most people who came on the show would always ask us about Wham, when are we gonna do another lip sync.
[8:46] Bobby: Yeah, man, they were big stars. I think when they released Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go, the video, I think MTV really turned them into superstars. They were singing before that, but I don’t think they were on that level, you know, they were on Madonna’s level at one time.
[9:05] Jason: They were, well, yeah, exactly.
[9:06] Bobby: They were like a super group.
[9:09] Jason: And George was really smart when he left. He went out on top and he did the whole Faith record, which was just the ’80s right there.
[9:15] Bobby: I mean, a lot of people, I don’t know if you realize, but George Michael writes everything. He’s very talented, I mean, singer obviously, but he’s a writer, producer.
[9:25] Jason: And that’s one thing I love about writers and producers, you’re getting the full them. That’s the full George. It’s not like he’s having somebody else come in and write stuff, you’re just basically singing their song, trying to make it your own.
[9:37] Bobby: What was one of your favorite singles from Make It Big, that album?
[9:42] Jason: Freedom. All the ones that we did, Freedom was great.
[9:46] Bobby: Careless Whisper.
[9:47] Jason: Careless Whisper was great.
[9:49] Bobby: Did you see the Careless Whisper lip sync that your buddy did?
[9:54] Jason: Who?
[9:55] Bobby: Your buddy.
[9:55] Jason: You?
[9:57] Bobby: Yeah, your buddy. What the hell are you doing? It just freaked me out.
[10:01] Bobby: I know, it’s like, “Who are they talking about?”
[10:03] Jason: I don’t know, man, praying for him. Do you wanna know why? ‘Cause you don’t fucking share the video.
[10:08] Bobby: I can’t.
[10:09] Jason: What the hell’s wrong with you? It’s part of my childhood.
[10:11] Bobby: Darth Vader won’t allow it.
[10:13] Jason: Oh, man, come on. Face the power. You gotta face the power of that thing.
[10:18] Bobby: Exactly. Yeah, man, the Make It Big album was great, but the next one was great also, the Faith. What was the album called, Faith?
[10:30] Jason: No, that was when he went solo. Look at you and your George Michael. Listen to that, everybody, Mr. George Michael doesn’t remember, when he went solo, the Edge of Heaven record that came out.
[10:40] Bobby: Oh, shit. Did we do our job? And this is great, I’m just playing stupid.
[10:45] Jason: This is though, yeah, exactly. You know what’s so great about him? He’s like a pro actor at playing stupid. He is like the Marlon Brando of playing stupid.
[10:54] Bobby: I just got cast to play in Dumb and Dumber and Dumbest.
[10:58] Speaker: Mockingbird, don’t everybody, mockingbird, don’t everybody, have you heard, have you heard, she’s gonna buy me, she’s gonna buy me, a mockingbird, a mockingbird. And if that mockingbird don’t sing, she’s gonna buy me, she’s gonna buy me, a diamond ring, a diamond ring, and if that diamond ring don’t shine, don’t shine.
[11:23] Speaker: Lloyd, look, there’s some people who want a ride, too. Pick ’em up.
[11:30] Bobby: Yo, so here, I got something for you, it’s in the news actually today. About George, Mr. Michael, do you remember the video Freedom! ’90?
[11:39] Jason: Oh, great video. Cindy Crawford.
[11:41] Bobby: Cindy Crawford was in it, Christy Turlington, and Naomi Campbell, right?
[11:47] Jason: Naomi Campbell.
[11:48] Bobby: So they recently redid it. Vogue put together models of today, because you remember George wasn’t in the video. He was.
[11:58] Jason: Protesting ’cause of the Sony.
[11:59] Bobby: Exactly. So all the models lip synced Freedom! ’90 for him. And it was actually kind of cool, and people remember it. So anyway, they added Adriana Lima, Joan Smalls, and Taylor Hill, just a few that.
[12:13] Jason: I haven’t seen this.
[12:14] Bobby: No, it’s brand new. It’s actually online, so if you haven’t checked it out, Google Freedom! ’90. Vogue put it together, Vogue Magazine, and it’s pretty interesting.
[12:24] Jason: Hey, what was your favorite song off the Listen Without Prejudice album?
[12:28] Bobby: Was it Praying for Time?
[12:30] Jason: Yes, that was my favorite one too, man.
[12:31] Bobby: That is, used to play it in rehearsal a lot. That song was so deep, and I don’t know, man, you hear it, you have a lot of emotions when you hear that song.
[12:39] Bobby: And George wrote his ass off on that album. So anyway, there’s our little show moment. And our little Wham moment, Jason had a big brain fart, and Bobby was actually very perfect.
[12:54] Jason: That’s right, Bobby was perfect in his Brando.
[12:57] Bobby: We are gonna call this podcast Bobby and Jason’s Dumb and Dumber Podcast.
[13:03] Jason: That’s right, no, Bobby and Jason’s Dumbest Podcast. So I haven’t asked you this over the vacation and whatnot, have you seen Ghostbusters, the new one?
[13:14] Bobby: I haven’t.
[13:15] Jason: Good.
[13:16] Bobby: Have you?
[13:16] Jason: No, I haven’t. You know I haven’t.
[13:18] Bobby: Wait, Jason’s boycotting this film.
[13:20] Jason: Well, I’m boycotting all this stupid shit, is basically it. I already went on a rant, so if anybody wants to dial it back, you guys have got hours and hours of that classic Bobby and Jason talking about shit.
[13:31] Bobby: I’m not against the film, I just haven’t had time. I’m gonna end up seeing it on DVD or something.
[13:37] Jason: You’re gonna waste two hours of your life and watch it.
[13:38] Bobby: I’m gonna waste two hours of your time because you’re gonna watch it with me.
[13:40] Jason: Oh, do you think so, huh? You are. Somebody better be supplying the alcohol, the sandwiches from the Mirage that we were just talking about.
[13:50] Bobby: The deli, man.
[13:51] Jason: The deli, and some other good stuff, man, if you’re gonna get me to watch that. Because, you know, one of the things that I thought was interesting with Gene Wilder, I saw this interview, you can probably find it on YouTube, where he was talking about Willy Wonka, and he was asked about the remakes, which had me thinking about this. I was feeling a little nostalgic the other night watching it.
[14:13] Bobby: Tim Burton made it.
[14:14] Jason: Yeah, and he said he really didn’t like that actor, and he thought it was wrong, the whole movie.
[14:20] Bobby: Johnny Depp played the part.
[14:22] Jason: But it was Tim Burton’s vision, though.
[14:24] Bobby: Yeah, and Johnny Depp’s one of his favorites. Yeah, man, it missed.
[14:28] Jason: It did miss.
[14:29] Bobby: I saw it, and it was just way over the top for me. It doesn’t even compare.
[14:36] Jason: To see Gene Wilder come out and say he actually said, “I don’t like that director.”
[14:43] Bobby: That says a lot. But speaking of Tim Burton, he’s actually trending this week.
[14:51] Jason: Look at me, I’m on point.
[14:53] Bobby: You are, man, pat on the back.
[14:55] Bobby: So yeah, Tim Burton, big ’80s director, writer. He did Pee-wee’s Big Adventure.
[15:01] Jason: Great movie.
[15:01] Bobby: That’s so funny, man. He did Beetlejuice, of course. He did Batman with, I’m Batman, one of our favorites, Michael Keaton. And of course, he did Edward Scissorhands with one of his favorite actors, Johnny Depp. So anyway, here’s the deal, this is why he was trending. He had a movie that just opened up last weekend called Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children.
[15:31] Jason: I can’t believe you got all those words right.
[15:32] Bobby: I got it right, good job. And this movie actually opened up at number one and made a lot of money.
[15:37] Jason: Wow. Was it a kids movie?
[15:38] Bobby: It’s kind of like a fantasy type film, which Tim Burton does a lot of, but that’s not why he’s trending.
[15:44] Jason: Why?
[15:46] Bobby: It’s because he’s getting criticized for not having diversity in his films.
[15:54] Jason: Whoa.
[15:55] Bobby: Yeah, if you look back on his career, you’ll notice that most of the cast is white, and that is true.
[16:04] Jason: Do you know something, and this isn’t meaning to make me sound insensitive, but I just never noticed. I guess I was just engrossed, when I watch his movies, most movies, I’m engrossed in the story. I’ll notice if there’s a really good actor, you know what I mean, like, wow, and they slip into a role. Like watching Johnny Depp, him being a great actor, first you, when you first see him on screen, you’re like, “Oh, there’s Johnny Depp.” And then you’re like, “Okay, now he’s the Mad Hatter,” or whoever he is. He loses himself in the role. Watching these things, it’s very interesting you bring this up, because I just never noticed.
[16:37] Bobby: Yeah, no, I agree, I didn’t notice either, but there’s a lot of people, he’s getting slammed pretty badly on Twitter and Facebook and all the social networks. And some news articles came out, and he actually commented on it, and he stuck to his guns basically. I guess he’s not necessarily a politically correct guy.
[17:02] Jason: Oh, God. Him, Tim Burton?
[17:04] Bobby: Not at all. His vision for his films, he’s very into fantasy and a very unique kind of director. So the way his mind works, I don’t think that he does it purposely.
[17:17] Jason: At all. I think he just gets the right person in his head, in Tim Burton land, for that particular role. I don’t think he’s actually thinking to himself, “I need this type of person or that type of person,” he’s got it in his head.
[17:31] Bobby: And that’s what it is, unfortunately, this is the way it is. Now, Samuel L. Jackson is actually starring in this new film, and.
[17:36] Jason: He’s got a great beer.
[17:37] Speaker: Samuel Jackson. It’s my beer. Yes, they deserve to die, and I hope they burn in hell.
[17:47] Bobby: He’s awesome. Yeah, Samuel’s awesome. But Samuel stuck up for Tim Burton and actually said positive things about him.
[17:52] Jason: Go Sam.
[17:53] Bobby: So I don’t know, I don’t know what everyone out there thinks about it, you can comment on the Facebook page. But I just wanted to bring that up, Tim Burton is trending, and his film’s doing well.
[18:04] Jason: What do you got as far as, you got a favorite Tim Burton film?
[18:08] Bobby: For the ’80s, I would say Beetlejuice.
[18:12] Jason: Oh, yeah, that’s it, my favorite. I don’t know why we went out on the same wavelength today with Praying for Time and Beetlejuice, but there you go.
[18:19] Bobby: And I did enjoy Pee-wee’s Big Adventure. Remember that bike? I remember being young, I was like, “Yeah, man, that bike’s cool, I need a bike like that,” you know?
[18:28] Jason: Did your dad get you one like he got you the?
[18:29] Bobby: He did not.
[18:30] Jason: Smokey and the Bandit car?
[18:31] Bobby: He did not. But speaking of that bike, I saw a guy a couple weeks ago on the Las Vegas Strip.
[18:37] Jason: Big surprise there.
[18:39] Bobby: Yes. He had the bike, he had the outfit, he had the whole look. He even talked like Pee-wee, and it was great. He looked great.
[18:48] Jason: He’s making cash for pictures right there.
[18:49] Bobby: He was taking pics for tips. So listen, peeps, if you come to Vegas and you see these characters, and you do take pictures, they’re not doing that out of the grace of their heart.
[18:59] Jason: Not at all, they want tips.
[19:01] Jason: And if you do come to Vegas, and you do take pictures with them, send them to us.
[19:06] Jason: We’ll put them up on the site.
[19:07] Bobby: We’ll definitely post those.
[19:08] Jason: We’ll post them. But anything you guys wanna talk about with Vegas and whatnot, please just send them out to us.
[19:15] Bobby: Give me your best Beetlejuice three times. Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.
[19:20] Jason: See, I can’t do it like you.
[19:22] Bobby: Let me try.
[19:24] Bobby: Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.
[19:26] Jason: That’s pretty good, pretty good. No, wait, you gotta ask me the question, “Can I do Bob doing Beetlejuice?” Here we go.
[19:33] Bobby: Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.
[19:35] Bobby: What do you think? That was great.
[19:37] Jason: Thanks, pal.
[19:37] Bobby: You do very good imitations.
[19:40] Jason: I really appreciate it, Bob. I really do.
[19:43] Bobby: You sound very like Tom Hanks there.
[19:46] Jason: Thank you. He’s a grumpy one, that guy.
[19:50] Bobby: Okay, buddy, it is that time.
[19:52] Jason: It’s time for someone who’s definitely not grumpy.
[19:54] Bobby: He’s never grumpy, he’s always happy, he’s happy as a button.
[19:58] Jason: Let’s roll some of that music first.
[20:03] Jason: It’s that moment with Marlon.
[20:05] Bobby: Marlon Mondal, what’s up, little buddy?
[20:07] Marlon: What’s going on? Hey there, hi there, ho there. What’s up, brothers?
[20:10] Bobby: We’re good. We missed you last week ’cause we had Diane Franklin on the podcast.
[20:14] Marlon: That’s okay. I really wish I was there, but I was a little busy. But I gotta tell you, it was a fantastic interview, guys.
[20:23] Jason: Thank you.
[20:24] Bobby: Did you like it?
[20:26] Marlon: I did. I really hope that we get more celebrities in the future, that’d be great, but that was an awesome interview.
[20:35] Bobby: Oh, trust me, that is definitely gonna happen.
[20:37] Jason: Yeah, definitely, we definitely are.
[20:39] Bobby: So tell us some of your memories of some of her movies, Diane’s movies from the ’80s.
[20:44] Marlon: Well, I’m gonna just jump right on to The Last American Virgin. That was a mind-blowing film back in the day. I remember, at school, everybody went to go see that film, and it was such an honest take on real life in a sense, and how everything has a twist in life. That movie really, I thought, hit home, and it was more believable than not.
[21:18] Jason: That was exactly what it was like. That’s a snapshot of exactly what happened all the time.
[21:23] Bobby: What did you think the first time you saw the ending? Was it a shock?
[21:29] Marlon: Oh my gosh. It was pretty much the first time in any film that really hits you with a sledgehammer at the end. Because it was so shocking, you didn’t see that happening. You thought to yourself, he’s gonna get the girl and it’s gonna be roses and we’re all gonna walk out of the theater with a happy ending. And it was like, whoa, what was that? But it was such an honest look at how life is. Life is not always roses, you know what I mean, and sometimes it’s black roses. So I thought to myself, and a lot of my friends at the time, “Hey, we wanna go see that again, did we just believe what happened?” It was really cool.
[22:14] Bobby: It was a great movie. It was funny, too, those guys were going through some shit in that movie. That scene, remember when they went in the pharmacy and they were trying to tell the guy the problem they had without telling him? And they’re itching and everything. That shit was jokes.
[22:32] Marlon: And the fact that she, also, I like the older woman scenario.
[22:39] Bobby: Oh, yeah, I remember that.
[22:42] Marlon: I think that was kind of a young teenage guy’s number one fantasy at that time. So that was really cool too, it was very funny, them coming and going out of the house and stuff like that. But what a great film, man.
[22:56] Jason: And wasn’t it interesting hearing her actually explain all of it too, and break it down from the inside?
[23:02] Marlon: Yeah, that was really cool because you can never research everything that is done in film and how things are done. So it was great to hear from her, to give you just an honest portrayal of what it was. So that was really cool.
[23:18] Bobby: So what did you bring this week? I know you’re always doing your homework.
[23:24] Marlon: Yeah, I came up with an article that I saw last night while doing a little reading. I’m a big, huge fan of film, like I know Bobby, you are, and movies mean a lot to us. And there was this particular article talking about Hollywood duos. And what I mean by Hollywood duos, I mean the actor/director relationship, you know how some actors and directors have this great relationship and success working together multiple times.
[24:01] Bobby: It’s funny that you bring that up, we talked about Tim Burton earlier, and of course, Tim Burton and Johnny Depp are.
[24:09] Jason: They’re joined at the hip, these guys.
[24:12] Marlon: And that’s actually on my list, actually. They worked together eight times.
[24:16] Bobby: That’s ironic.
[24:18] Marlon: Yeah, they worked together eight times.
[24:21] Bobby: Wow, I didn’t realize that.
[24:23] Jason: I didn’t realize it was that many.
[24:25] Marlon: Yeah, they’re pretty much, we should call it terror twins, they do a lot of really interesting things. And it’s always been my dream, as an actor, to hopefully one day find a director that he and I see eye to eye on how everything is gonna be done. Tim Burton and Johnny Depp just continue to have this great success together, not just from an artistic standpoint, but commercial success also. So they’re on my list. Also on my list was Steven Spielberg and Harrison Ford.
[25:06] Jason: Good point, good catch on that.
[25:08] Marlon: Yeah, these guys have been together for a lot of times with Raiders of the Lost Ark, Last Crusade, Temple of Doom. They’ve done a lot of great things with the Indiana Jones series, and I believe they’re doing another one in the future, but I’ve seen all of those in the theater.
[25:27] Bobby: Wait, wait, wait, they’re doing another Indiana?
[25:28] Jason: Yeah, that was part of his deal.
[25:30] Bobby: Is Indiana gonna be in a wheelchair? I don’t know. What the hell?
[25:34] Marlon: Well, usually what they do is they get a young, younger Indiana Jones.
[25:41] Bobby: Remember, River Phoenix did that. He played a young Indiana.
[25:45] Jason: Yeah, but they played a young Indiana, and then they tried it with the Crystal Skull, which was just a clusterfuck.
[25:52] Marlon: All the way around the movie. Yeah, I remember that, with Shia LaBeouf. Some things work, some things don’t, what are you gonna do? But they have had successful movies in the past, a great relationship combo, actor and director.
[26:06] Marlon: Another on my list is Spike Lee and Denzel Washington. They’ve done four films together. You, Bobby, I don’t know if you remember, you and I went to go see Malcolm X a long time ago in a theater. We saw that in Philly.
[26:21] Marlon: And they’ve done some great stuff together, Inside Man is one of my favorites, had a great twist at the end, pretty much a bank robbery film. I love those guys work together.
[26:36] Bobby: Was Clive Owen in Inside Man? I think so.
[26:38] Marlon: Clive, yes, sir, Clive Owen was the guy, he was the alleged bad guy.
[26:46] Bobby: That script was very original.
[26:49] Marlon: That was an original script, it was great. It was done at Wall Street, in New York, they mapped that all out and did that down there. So hopefully, they left that with a twist, hopefully they’ll do an Inside Man 2.
[27:06] Marlon: And another on my list, and I know this is gonna be one of your favorites, Bobby, Quentin Tarantino and Samuel L. Jackson.
[27:14] Bobby: Oh, man, yeah, those two. Quentin is so different, his style, he’s amazing.
[27:24] Marlon: He’s amazing, and in some strange way he always happens to find a spot for Samuel L. Jackson.
[27:31] Bobby: Samuel’s the man.
[27:32] Jason: Hey, if you can get Samuel L. Jackson, you find a spot for him wherever you can.
[27:35] Bobby: If Samuel just stands there, his presence is phenomenal.
[27:40] Jason: Exactly, you nailed it.
[27:41] Marlon: And, you know, I love Pulp Fiction, but Django Unchained was my favorite Samuel L. Jackson performance. He was such an evil guy in that, you don’t really get to see Samuel do that too much. But what a great combination those guys are. And then my final and last, and I know Bobby’s gonna agree with this 110 percent, Martin Scorsese and Robert De Niro.
[28:07] Bobby: Oh, man, that duo is unreal.
[28:12] Marlon: Unreal. I’ve known you for a lot of years, Bob, and we agree on some things and some things we don’t, but we definitely agree that Martin Scorsese and De Niro together is magic, it’s a welcome trip to the movies.
[28:28] Jason: They totally nail it exactly, there’s no one else that can get his vision across, Marty’s vision, than Bobby.
[28:35] Marlon: Yeah, those guys are really joined at the hip. My favorite is always gonna be Taxi Driver. I remember as a kid, that was one of the first movies I saw when I was about 12 years old, and I knew I wanted to be an actor after I saw this movie. And it was great because Martin Scorsese actually plays a small part in Taxi Driver, and that’s always a trip to see, it’s so special to me to see when he finds a little hole in the film to put himself in. Taxi Driver’s always gonna be my favorite.
[29:11] Bobby: It is, it’s one of my favorites too. It’s definitely when De Niro was a lot younger, and he always had the talent even at that age. He was amazing.
[29:23] Jason: He was born to be Robert De Niro.
[29:24] Bobby: He really was.
[29:25] Marlon: And he won an Oscar with Scorsese also, with Raging Bull. You can’t really put the icing on a cake, in a relationship actor/director duo, than when you guys bring home the Oscar. I gotta give it up to Martin Scorsese and my favorite, Robert De Niro.
[29:45] Bobby: We love Mr. De Niro, we love it. He’s got a great first name, Bobby De Niro.
[29:52] Bobby: Hey, bro, speaking of favorite actor duos, you know Al Pacino’s coming to Vegas in about two weeks.
[30:03] Marlon: What’s this all about?
[30:06] Bobby: He’s gonna be doing a one-man show. Do you remember two years ago I saw him at The Mirage?
[30:11] Marlon: Absolutely.
[30:12] Bobby: Well, he’s repeating that show in a few weeks. So yeah, man, what a great time just to listen to Pacino talk about his career.
[30:22] Jason: He just goes up there and talks.
[30:23] Marlon: Why don’t you tell the audience about that, Bobby? What was that about, how did that go?
[30:28] Bobby: It was great. There was a chair there, Al Pacino sat there, spotlight on him, full room. He went through his career from the beginning, worked his way to today. He even did questions and answers with the audience. I got in line, this is funny, I was in line to ask him a question, I was gonna ask him about working with De Niro. And I was the next person to ask, and they cut it off. So I got fucked.
[30:57] Jason: You were close, though.
[30:57] Bobby: I got robbed.
[31:01] Marlon: You know what’s really funny about that is Bobby was texting me while this was going on. And he was so excited, he’s like, “Dude, I’m about to ask Al Pacino a question.” And then he got passed on.
[31:16] Jason: He’s the guy who got screwed.
[31:17] Bobby: Yeah, man, I got left at the altar.
[31:20] Bobby: All right, brother, it was good to talk to you, man.
[31:23] Jason: Great to talk to you. Always a pleasure, guys, you brought great stuff, man.
[31:26] Bobby: The Moment with Marlon.
[31:27] Jason: Moment with Marlon.
[31:29] Jason: Cue the music.
[31:29] Bobby: We love you, homie.
[31:31] Marlon: Okay, guys, take care.
[31:32] Jason: Take it easy.
[31:32] Bobby: Talk to you soon.
[31:34] Jason: Always love talking to Marlon.
[31:36] Bobby: The man, the myth, the legend, Mr. Marlon Dow.
[31:44] Jason: You know what? Talking about that Carnegie’s made me hungry.
[31:48] Bobby: Well, that’s what I just said, I gotta tell you.
[31:51] Bobby: You didn’t let me finish.
[31:53] Jason: I’m sorry.
[31:54] Bobby: The thing is, folks, I’m always interrupted here. I never could get a word in, it’s Jason’s talking, everybody’s gotta talk. Can I talk?
[32:06] Jason: Please, please. You see what he did there, everybody, right?
[32:10] Bobby: I’m being very sensitive.
[32:12] Jason: Yes, you are sensitive.
[32:12] Bobby: Anyway, so I went to an Italian restaurant in Caesars called Carmine’s. Carmine’s is also in Atlantic City at the Tropicana.
[32:21] Jason: I’ve been to the one in AC.
[32:24] Bobby: So for people back east, you can try it out if you haven’t. I highly recommend it. They have a shrimp cocktail that is the best shrimp cocktail I’ve ever had in my life, and I am a professional shrimp guy. I also had some chicken parm, which is really good, and rigatoni with marinara sauce and meatballs.
[32:47] Jason: Oh, man, you just housed it.
[32:48] Bobby: We did. I went with a couple friends, and it’s family style, so they give you big portions, everybody shares. It’s kinda like being Sunday dinner in South Philly with the Italian family, and it feels like that, but it’s real authentic.
[33:04] Jason: And it’s in the Mirage, huh?
[33:06] Bobby: No, it’s in Caesars Palace, in the Forum Shops.
[33:09] Bobby: So if anybody’s visiting Vegas and you want a good Italian meal, go check it out.
[33:14] Jason: Carmine’s. See, you like this, everybody out there? We give you our little Vegas tips for free.
[33:17] Bobby: I feel like I just did a commercial for Carmine’s. They should give me some free shrimp or something.
[33:22] Jason: They should. Get ourselves some free eggplant Parmesan, sounds good.
[33:26] Bobby: You got one, right?
[33:27] Jason: I got one what?
[33:28] Bobby: You said you want somewhere to eat.
[33:29] Jason: Oh, yeah. Well, Norris.
[33:31] Jason: I like a little more of the off-strip sometimes, because sometimes we have to give guided tours and whatnot. Norris is one of those authentic places, it’s up in the north, northeast.
[33:49] Bobby: Nowhere near the strip.
[33:50] Jason: It’s nowhere near the strip. And that’s great because out here in Vegas, people have come from everywhere else. So when you’re getting Italian food or you’re getting Mexican food, it is authentic and just delicious.
[34:02] Bobby: There’s some good stuff out here.
[34:03] Jason: You gotta try Carmine’s, thanks, bud.
[34:06] Bobby: Yeah, bro, all this Italian food talk is making me hungry. I think as soon as this podcast is over, I’m gonna make some raviolis, and I’m not gonna share.
[34:16] Jason: That’s fine, I don’t want anything you’re gonna make anyway.
[34:18] Jason: Are you kidding me, I don’t want anything you’re making.
[34:19] Bobby: Maybe I’ll give Harley, the Frenchie, a few bites.
[34:22] Jason: ‘Cause that’s about as good as you can cook.
[34:25] Jason: Sorry, had to take a shot.
[34:26] Bobby: So I have some Facebook comments.
[34:30] Jason: Ooh, the good stuff.
[34:32] Bobby: I have three, and these are all new listeners.
[34:36] Jason: We got a lot of new listeners this week.
[34:37] Bobby: New peeps, we love to see new peeps.
[34:39] Jason: Not that we don’t love the old peeps.
[34:44] Bobby: Nobody’s old. Well, maybe one. Anyway, first comment is from Lucky Casas. I love that name, Lucky.
[34:54] Jason: Isn’t that, like, a lucky house?
[34:56] Bobby: It is, Lucky Casas.
[34:59] Bobby: Maybe it’s not her real name. But anyway, she wrote, “I just watched The Last American Virgin Tuesday on my Fire Stick. Oh, the memories. Still can’t believe she did Gary dirty like that.” Me either, I can’t believe it. Poor Gary, I’m still upset about it.
[35:17] Jason: That’s something he said, Tom was telling Diane, “I feel bad for Gary.”
[35:21] Bobby: And she says, “That was a great podcast, she was so perky.”
[35:28] Jason: She was perky.
[35:28] Bobby: I just think that’s how she is in everyday life. Got another one, Andy Monroe. She says, “I watched Last American Virgin so many times, and it always made me cry when Karen doesn’t go for poor Gary.” Everybody’s feeling bad for poor Gary.
[35:48] Jason: Poor Gary.
[35:49] Bobby: I mean, Gary.
[35:50] Jason: Maybe we can get Gary on the show, and he can tell us his side.
[35:52] Bobby: We actually should.
[35:53] Jason: Yeah, we should.
[35:54] Bobby: We’ll try and do that. She says, “Diane Franklin is still beautiful after all these years. She’s awesome. Loved the podcast.”
[36:02] Jason: Ah, thank you.
[36:03] Bobby: Thank you, Andy. And this is another new listener, her name is Brandy, and I’m definitely gonna get this wrong, Kosnsinski.
[36:13] Jason: There’s a lot going on in that one.
[36:15] Bobby: Yeah, Brandy, I hope I did it okay. She says, “So I’m sitting in a local restaurant, and somebody played Dirty Deeds by Joan Jett.” She says, “I immediately thought of Cindy Stark.”
[36:29] Jason: Cindy Stark.
[36:30] Bobby: And for those of you who don’t know who Cindy Stark is, Cindy Stark was a dancer on The Show, back in the day, and really bubbly, happy girl, good friend of ours.
[36:40] Jason: Here’s something you probably don’t remember, I did a lip sync with her.
[36:43] Bobby: Did you?
[36:44] Jason: Where she did Light of Day, from that Michael J. Fox movie. She was Joan Jett, and I was Michael J. Fox, and it was just her and I, and we did Light of Day, and we rehearsed it at the old rehearsing room back at Pasco Ranch.
[36:59] Bobby: There you go.
[37:00] Bobby: She’s always an interesting chick, I always liked Cindy.
[37:03] Jason: Me too, I always liked her too, she was real.
[37:05] Bobby: She really was down to earth. I went to her house a few times, her mom and dad cooked for me, had dinner, and just always were friendly.
[37:12] Jason: Yeah, very cool.
[37:13] Bobby: So what do you have, you have an email?
[37:14] Jason: I’ve got it. You wanna do the email bag song? Come on.
[37:18] Bobby: Give me a start, da da da da.
[37:19] Jason: Da, da. Email bag, da, da, da.
[37:23] Bobby: Got the email bag, da, da, da, da, da, email bag.
[37:24] Jason: I like that, we’re using that one.
[37:26] Bobby: That was horrible.
[37:27] Jason: That was fantastical. Okay, here we go. This is from Raina McAdams. I got such a good name that I can just say. “Dear Bobby and Jason, your Diane Franklin interview was great. The ending to Last American Virgin makes so much more sense. My husband and I actually re-watched the movie, and it’s impossible not to love her after hearing her talk. What an awesome surprise. I listen to your podcast every Thursday at the gym, and I get looks when I bust out laughing. You guys are funny. Bobby, I see that you have a French bulldog, I have one too.”
[38:13] Bobby: I do.
[38:14] Jason: “Can you post more pictures of her?”
[38:17] Bobby: I will, I will, Harley the Frenchie.
[38:19] Jason: “Jason, do you have a dog?” Yes, I do, I have a pug named Sammy.
[38:24] Bobby: Cute dog.
[38:25] Jason: Yes, cute. He looks really old though, you know, when you first get a pug, you think they’re gonna be like that forever.
[38:31] Bobby: One thing I noticed, Sammy’s well-fed.
[38:34] Jason: Sammy is very, very stout, let’s put it that way, he’s a stout dog. Whereas your dog, this French bulldog, is nothing but like a quadricep, he’s nothing but muscle.
[38:47] Bobby: It’s like she’s a little Mike Tyson.
[38:49] Jason: Yeah, and she’s got that big old head, and she just is.
[38:51] Bobby: She’s great.
[38:52] Jason: Wow, she’s awesome. But my dog is a.
[38:55] Bobby: Cutie, man.
[38:55] Jason: Yeah, and he’s seven, and he looks like he’s 50. So, there you go. You can see that not only am I a lover of Bobby and Jason’s awesome podcast, but adorable doggies too. “Well, that was great, love you guys, Raina.”
[39:10] Bobby: Raina.
[39:11] Jason: Raina.
[39:11] Bobby: Thank you, Raina.
[39:12] Jason: Thank you, Raina.
[39:13] Bobby: That was awesome, man, that was great. I’m definitely gonna post a picture of Frenchie, my Frenchie.
[39:20] Bobby: Harley, her name is Harley.
[39:21] Jason: He’s such a big, he loves this dog. It’s just so funny to see, it’s great though.
[39:26] Bobby: Sometimes.
[39:26] Jason: You’re a good dog dad.
[39:27] Bobby: I do, I love her. Sometimes I’m working on my computer, and she looks at me with them little puppy eyes, and that means, “Please, Daddy, pick me up, put me on your lap.” And then she just plops herself on my lap, all 30 pounds of her. It’s great. Well, we’ve come to that time, Jason.
[39:46] Jason: We had such a great show. Wasn’t this great?
[39:48] Bobby: It was, we had fun, it flew by. But sadly, it’s over.
[39:54] Jason: Well, before it gets over, we wanna thank all our new listeners and everybody who signed up on social media and sent us emails and whatnot. You are in for a wild ride.
[40:03] Bobby: You guys rock, and definitely check out our YouTube channel, it’s gonna start to grow.
[40:07] Jason: It’s gonna start to grow, so check it out, we got a lot of cool stuff. And next week.
[40:12] Bobby: Special guest.
[40:13] Jason: Special guest, Fred Giele. How’s that one? I like it.
[40:19] Bobby: This podcast will.
[40:21] Jason: Self-destruct in five, four, three, two, one.
[40:28] Bobby: Oh, ooh, oh, ooh.
[40:29] Jason: See you later, everybody. Take it easy, everybody.
Original 2016 show notes
Welcome to all our new listeners who have 80s on the brain you’ve come to the right place. Don’t be a-scared!
Mockingbird!!
Bobby and Jason are thinking with their stomachs this episode.
Sad news about huge hoagies.
Scenes from Italian Restaurants….
Wham Bam! The guys talk George Michael recollections and conversation and how 80s pop music is being reinterpreted recently
Diane Franklin is still on the brain (and what about poor Gary?).
Marlon drops some 80s actors directors that are not to be missed.
Did you get a text during this podcast too? 😉
Dive into the 80s Email Bag and Comments.
French Bulldogs and Pugs and everything nice.
Tim Burton, Samuel L Jackson Beer, Praying for Time and a lil’ bit of Pee Wee (what could go wrong?).
Episode 14 hanging with the boys.
Enjoy!
Bobby and Jasons AWESOME 80s Podcast!
FAQ
What is Episode 14 about?
Bobby, Jason, and Marlon Dow celebrate Wham and George Michael, tour Tim Burton’s 80s films, and rank the greatest director-and-actor duos, with a recap of the Diane Franklin interview.
When did Episode 14 air?
It was released October 6, 2016, as part of Season 1.
Why is it called the Dumbest Podcast?
It is a self-deprecating joke born from an on-air riff. The episode is actually a warm, knowledgeable conversation about 80s music and movies.
Where can I listen?
Play it right here on the episode page, or find Bobby and Jason’s Awesome 80s Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and Amazon Music.
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